Genesis - next releases whishlist

[[WAR]Man-of-War[P]]

I hope in the future releases (maybe in 1.2 if possible) to see somethings as:

1. Capital Ship Classes
-> Turn availabe cruisers and battleships.
-> Specs: GB= 1000 cargo (around $30millions), Cruisers = 1500 cargo (around 60 millions) and Battleships = 2000 cargo (around 120 millions). The respective weapons costs around 3 mill, 6 mill and 12 mill each.
-> Some more bases to dock these capitals, as Freeports or Newark class stations.
-> Weapons with 1 or 2 different rate of fire than 2.0

2. Economy Universe
-> Decrease around 60% of actual profits, due to the increase of load capacity ships and to increase the challenge to buy these capitals ships.
-> Some more long profitable routes in hostile territory.

3. Fighters
-> Some rebalance of specs to LF,HF and VHF, to make them more competitive

4. New systems/races
-> More 2 or 3 extremely hostile systems? I miss the Angels and Demons from Hellsgate the 1st one possible to get friendly but Demons impossible anyway.
-> some kind of profit in these new systems

5. Licenses
-> I dont see why so weak. Some time in radiation or shoots, we loose the license. The pirate ones sell only at station where capitals dont dock... sad... :/


Well, lets pray to Santa "Gibbon" Claus meet our desires

[unicomplex]

I agree with What War said and ill just add "please more ships" ;D. I mean more ships of every category not just those big ones

And i also have to ask, since im a total noob when it comes to moding, is it possible to add missions where you will encounter npc gunboats, cruisers or even battleships ? I aways wanted to see that in freelancer.

Btw will this next version also be available for us that want to play open SP ?

[scarz]

I would like to comment on the first two wish list items by [WAR]Man-of-War

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1. Capital Ship Classes
-> Turn availabe cruisers and battleships.
-> Specs: GB= 1000 cargo (around $30millions), Cruisers = 1500 cargo (around 60 millions) and Battleships = 2000 cargo (around 120 millions). The respective weapons costs around 3 mill, 6 mill and 12 mill each.
-> Some more bases to dock these capitals, as Freeports or Newark class stations.
-> Weapons with 1 or 2 different rate of fire than 2.0

2. Economy Universe
-> Decrease around 60% of actual profits, due to the increase of load capacity ships and to increase the challenge to buy these capitals ships.
-> Some more long profitable routes in hostile territory.

I understand that some players are big fans of the large Capital Ships. However, others are not for reasons of balance and favoring the need for skill in combat as opposed to "my ship is bigger than your ship and my weapons are more powerful with longer range". Additionally, larger cargo space for trade and freight vessels seems logical, but making it convenient to to trade in war ships makes no sense to me at all. There are mods of Freelancer that I use to play that have been made to reflect the changes you would like to see with Genesis.

This rant is just my opinion and I realize I might be expressing an opinion of the minority. I respect all opinions about style of play, because it after all reflects someone's effort and idea of having fun. I believe that Gibbon will make changes based on his own modding goals and reasonable community requests. It will be up to the playing community to enjoy the features they like about Genesis and attempt to adapt and have fun with the other features of Genesis.

[vardek]

Hi Gibbon
Would it be possible for you to change my characters name from MELAZZ to VARDEK,I didn't mean to use that name for this long but I got sucked into your marvelous mod!.
Good luck with 1.2.
Regards
Vardek.

[pepe]

Hey, great thread! I'd like to comment:

1.
more ships = more players
bigger ships = more money needed = more traders

Issue: need for money makes players try to make it on "safer ways". Simply speaking - they start to cheat. I can bet what will they do first: make money with not-tagged freelance ships, enjoy in non-tagged immunity and than transfer money and buy battleships. So we will soon have morons flying death-stars. Some of them will be nice guys, but we will never speak as they can't speak English. Not to mention all that metagaming that comes with money and power. But, having battleships I consider progressive and it must happen some day. Tbh, I like to see in red letters: Death: [WAR]-Deathstar

almost evaded Cruise Disruptor from Pepe[BH] and now is in pieces all around.

Solution a):

money transfers should be possible only:
- by trade in space.
- deposit/redraw possible just in a same guild (if you deposit from your [T] tagged chat, you can withdraw just by your other or same [T] char).

Solution b):

Capital ships are OK if their captains are OK. One can't buy really big ship without special BS Licence. Such thing could be granted by Admin ONLY, after a test. And can be revoked in case captain doesn't behave like ship's captain. Having CR Licence and even GB Licence should be solved in much shorter procedure, defined and proceeded by Admin's helpers. All Caps Licences are subject of revoke, if needed.

Solution c):

Battleships can't use trade lanes. They defend some important place, like crossroads, base or even homeworld. Cruisers are biggest assault capital ships.

Oh, one more thing. Capitals are combat ships. Tell captain of Nimitz that he should haul some profitable toys from China and he would let you arrested. Combat ships use cargo space for more armor (capital armors are 15-20 times larger than fighter's ones and are EXPENSIVE like hell) and for ammo (like load of anti-fighter missiles). Player can use all that space for trade, but his ship can be destroyed much easier than. Gunboat is combat ship too, it should be filled up with armor, not with banana beer like I do it at the moment, with freacking [T] tag! Oh, all gunboats should have one fixed mighty front canon to tear shield or even shoot big slow ships, like battleships.

So, transports are for big scale trade. Each trade company should have one based on one universal train model with 1000 cargo space. Just name of ship should differ, for a start. But there's a catch: cargo space can be used better for goods that are common for that company. Cryer hauls double more drugs than any other company. DSE and Ageira can load double more gate lane parts. Simian ships can load double more yummy banana beer. It's normal, beer fits in crates. Cardamine fits in crates as well, but just half would arrive on destination, all together with monkey crew in a great mood! So they can haul 2000 beer or 1000 cardamine only.

Just lawfuls can trade. Pirates can smuggle or highjack with their assault freighters. So, trader that helps pirates to get containers floating in space should be considered pirate too. Must be reported and his licence will be revoked.

Mining companies can't have transports too. They can use Miner licence (make it, or leave it with [T]) and they have miners. Example:

Kruger.Miner[M] freighter has 200 cargo and 5 turret slots. It can mount 1 to 5 extractor guns, each takes 40 cargo. Mount one and now 160 cargo are free. It can mine nice and slowly, fill up with gems and haul 320 boxes of it to NY. He'd earn almost 5 millions in hour or two. One box sells at Manhattan for 15k credits. But poor guy probably would be intercepted by pirate freighter and robbed. And raped. And killed. Than raped again. But with 4 more extractors it mines much faster! But there would be no free cago space. So... that Kruger pilot can call Interspace.Trader[T] and load it with 1000 boxes in 15 minutes. Trader pays (amount agreed and traded in space) and hauls to sell gems for 15 millions at Manhattan. Big fat fast money. If he's not greedy, he'd hire someone to escort him, etc...

Ore/gems/gas extractors can't fit to transport ships, ofc. Ore extractor can't extract gems, ofc. Gas extractor can't either, ofc.


2.
Must disagree. Prices are OK (except for short Manhattan android trade route, as safe trade kills the game). Freeports (add mooring to FPs) and planets with mooring fixes are already offering middle prices with limited profit. Maybe just small adjustments would be needed, like too cheap banana beer at FP 9. Freighters must remain their freedom to trade or smuggle from factory to FP.

Boost mining instead of crippling economy. Make 5-6 expencive rare metals ore, gems and rare gas fields for all Sirius and you will know where to look for a trader. Make it in Taus, Sigmas and Omegas. You will be amazed how many players love to shoot at rocks $.$! And how many pirates will come to shoot too. At miners.


3.
EDITED: All player available fighters should be able to carry good guns (class 9 for light fighters and 10 for freighters and heavy ones). Starting from scratch is so OSP concept. Keep all vanila and fan models, just let them be equal in strenght. Why should Liberty be so not-advanced in weapon tech? Flying class 3 LF should stay available in OSP, if there's someone that likes it. In MP we obviously fly better stuff. Flying Yunko Zein's LF with 3 class 9 guns and top agility is FUN! Prices for ships than would go up too.

EDITED: Balance: LFs should have half power of VHF, like 4 class 9 guns. Or even 3 class 10. Their task is to intercept flying torpedoes and VHFs. They should exclusively thrust up to 250m/s for all that. VHFs should be able to carry heavy armor, torpedo and cruiser disruptor at same time, so they can swarm uncovered capitals. HF is universal solution, a little of both, it's is more agile than VHF but lacks armor and power to win it. But it wins LF, as it's better armed than LF, it can carry some torpedoes too, OR CD.

Shield-buster mine would be welcome too. Maybe 12k damage to shields ONLY would be ok.

Game with fighters is like paper/scissors/stone game. With equal pilots LF gets VHF, VHF gets HF, HF gets LF. With battleships on scene all 3 kinds of fighter will be popular to fly.

Fighter torpedoes should have much less explosion range. Atm one torp can destroy too many subtargets on any ship, even on Nomad dread. Torps are designed to focus power for surgical subtarget strikes on battleships. It's not wise to waste them on hull, you simply can't bring enough ammo for blowing armored hulls. It takes time to crush a BS, even after you disarmed it completely. It's fair to give BS a chance to call for help. Or to try mooring to save his crew (which would be expensive, but patriotic).

And bombs... hell of anti-mater. Combat freighters (one for each house, based on any existing model. Or use that bulky VHF from Freeport 9, or Hippo Flute, never mind) can exclusively carry 2 bombs. Bomb uses ship's speed and direction when dropped and rolls on and on until hits something. And when it hits you will know it. It really hits. If it hits. It has no engine and no guidance. Just aim (aim engine thinks it's gun with 200m/s fixed speed, so use it only when thrust or you will miss). Use it on big targets that don't move well. And don't forget to stay out of trouble, it's just a freighter, hehehe.


4.
Moding new systems is ultimate pain, so I must disagree. But moding some existing border systems could be fun. Omega 5 for example. No one uses it. It's war there, but I knew it from the news. It's pretty quiet there in real. Every trade route can avoid it, so there can be hell. Rhainland and Brettonia BS patrols, Fugitive base somewhere, NPCs with better ammo, maybe even some nomads taking an oportunity to finish any survivors. Maybe Hessian three-gunboats-at-once patrols too. And bases should be selling something nice to smuggle. Like stolen arts, human organs and nukes (I saw it all in RL, during the war in my country, it's same like in low budget movies). Change just patrols and economy only in 3 systems and you'll make it hell places. Let's say... one at each: Tau, Sigma and Omega. Maybe one in Omicrons too, something exotic there, idk, I'm new around here. I never saw Angels.


5.
generally lot of VHF equipment falls off with one torpedo + mine hit from NPCs. All weapons, CD and CM for example. And torpedo even missed me good, but didn't miss the rock far from me. With no guns, I had to finish some missions by taking NPCs to crush to neutron star, or by pushing them around mine-fields. It WAS kinda fun to be honest, but I don't do missions there any more. It's too expensive and even more frustrating.


Our wishlist is easy to make before Christmas. But what year?

[pepe]

Concept breakthrough 2:

So, no one spitted on my ideas (so far), so I have next generation of ideas.

RP: KEEP IT SIMPLE

but results may vary

Good, bad and evil, simple as that.

When starting new Char, player must set will it be lawful, pirate or nomad. That's all, no more complicated diplomacy on start. So, depending of choice, your new Char starts in NY, Tortuga or Nomadland. Faction start relations:

- if lawful than lawfuls=white and pirates=red
- if pirate than lawfuls=red and pirates=white
- if nomad than lawfuls=red and pirates=red and fugitives=white

Fugitives are senseless terrorists, but their base clearance and reputation could be earned by killing everybody else a lot, lot of times. I will explain it later.

Reds should stay red, no bribes can change that. Nothing can! But white and green one changes according to FL standard diplomacy. If you are pirate and kill a lot of lawfuls, Mollys, Outcasts and Hessians, your Corsair reputation will go faster up to green. Hessians will stay white, except ones you shooted at.

It's all about base clearance and reputation, a) and b).

a) Base clearance: on bases we buy ships we live for, weapons and goods. But there is no way that Char can land on red base. So we will not see any more Police chars in space with Tizona guns and Pirate Armor mounted. Nope. Or lawful trader smuggling full load of Slaves or Stolen Art. Oh, big big nope. He simply can't never ever dock on any pirate planet to buy slaves with really profitable price.

Freeports are excused, Zoners are ALWAYS white to everyone except to Nomads and Fuggies. No bribe or doing bad/good deeds can change that. But Zoners offer just civil equipment and all kinds of goods at medium prices. They just deal stuff.

But Zoners can hack your reputation for big money (10 million or more), so you can buy guns or guns from anyone else IN YOUR AFFILIATION GROUP. Not even Zoners can make pirate become lawful or lawful become pirate. They simply never offer you that. That will save us from many metagaming, changing coats and other trouble.


b) reputation makes things available when docked on base. With white rep. you can buy basic LF and entry level equipment on that base. Owner faction don't trust you and denies selling you good stuff. Same thing could be with goods: you can always buy water and oxygen, but for bananas, machines or slaves you must be respectful trader/smuggler (green to salesman's faction).

But be careful who you kill. Being green to one corporation makes you whiter to their competition. They will than refuse to sell you good stuff. If you are lawful and kill for example Samura for GMG missions, three things will happen:

- GMG gets greener, Samura stays (or goes) white
- if you kill even more Samura, GMG gets more green, but Samura allys will get white too
- when you are lawful and kill good enough lawfuls (really lot of), you'll get red to all except Fugitives.

I mean, you killed many nice people and still wanna work with them? Nope. You are more terrorist than and Fugitives gonna open their bases to you. You can monitor that process by checking your relations with Fugitives. Getting to 0 Fug. rep. makes you red to all and white to Fugitives. Same story goes for pirates: kill tons of Mollys and Hessians for Corsairs and you will become Fugitive terrorist and red to all Universe.

Killing opposite affiliation group don't makes you Fugitive. It's your job to kill them. Just being pirate that kills pirates or lawful that kills other lawfuls makes you terrorist.


Some consequences of my good, bad, evil concept:

- you can't buy enemy's equipment. You can win it in battle, but you can't mount it, maintain it or power it. You can't aim with it. It's not known technology to service staff at bases you can dock on. So, bye-bye Nomad Cannons if you are Human. And bye-bye Tizona Cannons if you are not very green to Corsairs.
- no more exotic chars like Kusari trader that can dock on Crete and Malta. Or Outcast smuggler that supplies Berlin. Exotic chars make confusion and envy anyway, imo.
- ID Licences would define what ship your char can fly and what must do.

c)
Lawful Licences:
- police: fly fighters only. Must hunt pirates and smugglers. Can escort other lawfuls. Must prevent lawfuls from doing bad things by fining or killing them.
- navy: all like police + able to fly capital ships. Can't use TRADE LANES! (more about rules for capitals later)
- trader: can fly freighters and transport ships. Buying contrabands from freeports is serious crime.
- miner: can fly miner ships
- order: no, no need. Use any char to kill Nomads. Orders than will let you buy Order stuff. Because Order does just that anyway: kill Nomads. We can make Order clan with navy or buccaneer licences later, if we need it. They would fly just Order ships.
- bounty hunter: no. No reason for that too. Any policeman will be rewarded for hunting bounted persons. Maybe one day we can have BH clan with Police Licences, but that's all. They will be allowed to fly BH ships only, by their own choice. One day.

Pirate Licences:
- renegade: intercept lawfuls and robs them. Fighters and freighters.
- buccaneer: all like renegade + able to fly pirate capital ships. Can't use TRADE LANES! (more about rules for capitals later)
- smuggler: can fly freighters and transport ships. Selling contrabands to freeports is serious job.


You can't buy a ship without having proper Licence. New players can buy basic civil ships and equipment from starting systems and freeports. Doing hard missions in minefields will be challenging for them! Nomad players will buy ... nice Nomad stuff.

SHIPS: DIVERSITY

but with less work.

We don't need new ships. We just need to use existing ones. And some ships are useless. So make use of them. Keep all like it is, just boost them to carry class 9 and class 10 weaponry. And that 9 or 10 class should get better names: light guns and heavy guns. And simple too.

WEAPON CONCEPT:
Light and heavy cannons only. Light would be like class 8 damage, maybe little better. Heavy ones are like class 9 and better just for Nomads. Light cannons should have models 4 to 8.33 rate and heavy ones should shoot 2-5.88. But heavy ones should have more range. There should be some missile and mine model that rapes shields only. Torpedoes should have focused explosion for surgical strikes on capital subsystems, like guns and even shield generator (which can get kicked with right angle approach only, angle covered with most turrets, hehe). And bombs... BULKY dummy antimatter mines with no propulsion or guidance. They just roll on forward when dropped. It's space, you now. No air. No gravity. Just inertia.

Capital weapons:
- light turrets for defending from fighters. Fire rate 3.03, dmg 750, speed 1500, range 3000.
- heavy turrets for shooting other capitals. Fire rate 0.5, dmg 7500, speed 500, range 5000.
- front cannon for raping capital shields down, GB only, slow
- light torpedoes
- heavy torpedoes (bulky)

SHIELD/ARMOR CONCEPT:
Shield generator is heavy and needs cargo space. Same with armor. Just 2 shields for fighters: light and heavy one. Same for capital ships. Same with armors: light one and heavy one, for fighters and same for capitals. Capital shield/armor can't fit to fighter/freighter, simply no space for that. Heavier ships can carry better shield/armor, as simply having more cargo space. There would be no other limitations.

Maybe there could be super-heavy armor 400%, but must be exotic and too expensive to even think about it. So everyone will think just about that

FIGHTER CONCEPT:
Fighter models may vary a little for different factions, as they are not all the same shape. Low profile ships are harder to hit, so they need less hull and than may carry less equipment. Keeping existing models is mandatory. Maybe we need 3 or 4 types per faction only, let's see:

LF
very agile
4 light cannons (3 for basic crazy agile LF)
5000 hull
thrust speed 250m/s (just for LF, so it can intercept torpedoes and bombs)
low cargo to support light armor and shield
CD, CM, M

HF
agile
4 heavy cannons
7500 hull
cargo to support light armor and light or heavy shield
CD or T, CM, M

VHF
not agile
6 heavy cannons
12500 hull
cargo to support heavy armor and heavy shield. More shield/armor gets you less torpedoes, though.
CD, T, CM, M

SHF (super heavy, or simply RAZORBACK. Great ship for bomber tasks. One model for all Sirius houses/pirates would be fine. I said no big work and I mean it)
clumzy. Brick.
4 heavy cannons + 2 gattlings. Or 4 gattlings + 2 light cannons. Idk, 4 gattlings sounds like a good chance for that brick to get very popular.
15000 hull
cargo to support heavy armor and heavy shield and full load of torpedoes
CD, T, CM, M, BOMBS


CAPITAL SHIPS:
MANDATORY: capitals are combat ships. They are not designed to massacre traders or smugglers. If you had bad day and need to blow someone's head up, do it on other server. I can recommend you one at least.

1. So, for any case, capitals can't use trade lanes. Lanes are for trade and traders. Your navy licence gives you green light to buy big nasty ship, but gives you red light to use trade lanes. Fair capital fleets will battle mostly in remote worlds anyway, far from civilians and lanes. So, some navy bases should be close to enemy systems, with mooring fixes for capitals.
2. Thrust speed remains at 140, so traders can escape (except train. So, guard your trains. Cover them well).
3. Cruse engines should take quite a time to charge up, so traders can escape.
4. More than one disruptor is needed to slow a GB down from cruise and maybe even 5 to disrupt a BS. So, they can escape too!

GUNBOATS:
are build around one big gun. It rapes shield on other ships. Or is big gattling cannon. It's heavy and powerful, but it shoots in just one direction - exact direction of the ship.
agile
6 light turrets
30000 hull
cargo to support ligt cap. armor and ligt cap. shield.
no CD, CM, T, M...

CRUISERS:
is multipurpose assault capital ship. Depends how you set it.
not agile
6 light or heavy turrets
60000 hull
cargo to support ligt cap. armor and ligt cap. shield, or one of two heavy. More shield/armor gets you less antifighter torpedoes, though.
just light antifighter torpedoes, no CD, CM, M...

BATTLESHIPS:
is flagship capable to take care of itself. But it can specialize, depends how you set it.
brick agile
12 light or heavy turrets
150000 hull
cargo to support heavy shield/armor. More shield/armor gets you less torpedoes, though.
light antifighter torpedoes, heavy bulky torpedoes, no CD, CM, M...

TRADERS:
- freighter: up to 500 cargo. Fighter shields/armor can fit only. Existing models. Thrust 200m/s.
- transport: up to 1000 cargo. All kinds of shields/armor. One model for all companies, with up to 8 turrets. No need for diversity here. It just suppose to survive encounter with one lonely fighter. Thrust speed 180 or 200m/s, I'm not sure.
- train: up to 5000 cargo! Up to 8 light capital turrets! All kinds of shields/armor. No cruise. (hehehe) This ship is mini-event it's self. It's not a battleship, as it's hull is not designed for combat. Will provoke pirates to intercept it in house space, in systems with trade lanes where it moves fast. And it will provoke traders to take a big risk by taking shortcuts via some problematic worlds. Oh, that would be a great ship to haul nice things for miners. But all known mines are so close to pirates, hehehe. Maybe pirates shouldn't have their model of train, idk, it's not up to me.

MINERS:
they mine gems, precious metals and noble gases (that can be sold for 15000 credits!). There would be 3 places with mining clouds: Omegas, Taus and Sigmas. Miners do just that - mining. Cargo is 200, use ugliest freighter model you have, dear Admin, extractors will make it ugly anyway. They can mount up to 4 ore extractors, as each takes 50 cargo. Or they can mount one and use other slots for guns. So 150 cargo would be available for load. But having more extractors means faster mining. And faster is betters with pirates so close. Load up your friend trader in 10-15 minutes and split!



I hope no one reads all this. But thanks if someone does. You must be crazier than me, so avoid seeing your doctor for a while. He'll expose you right on.

[Gibbon]

Keep the ideas coming guys, i'll check this after i've finished the 1.2 update and we can go through it all and see what's realistic and what isn't

As i've mentioned elsewhere, my time is limited from monday as i start a new job, so won't have a lot of modding time sadly. Doesn't help i'm also a beta tester for Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen, so you can appreciate those will eat into my spare time. That said i'll try to keep Genesis going as long as i can, the server will be up until it explodes so nobody needs to worry about that

[silvergryphon]

I'd really like to see more systems. Not too many though quality over quantity and all that.

Also adding more stuff to the more desolate systems like Hokkaido, Edinburgh and the like would be great to add more flavor.

I'm probably also the only one here who would like to see the trade lane disruptions get scaled back a wee bit, I don't mind the odd disruption but it seems every single trade lane is under attack. I'm pretty sure that was how it was in vanilla freelancer and it was annoying then too.

[pepe]

Todays ideas:

Freighters could use Gattling Turrets well. Maybe even freighter class turrets would be available some day. No need for many models of guns on freighters, just turrets, but fast ones. They would use more energy ofc, but freighter power core can provide it, why not.

More players needed? Make harder missions that can't be done by one player. Involve capital ships there, missiles and better reward (to repair and earn something if we survive). House border systems could use harder missions too, even if with VHFs only.

If you need checking this idea, just put something of value to NPC battleship patrols. Something that drops out and can be sold for a million. Something like Navy Classified Files, Captain's Log, Admiral's Escape Pod... The Unlimited Banana Beer Voucher... (hehehe)

[dagger]

Pilots die in cargo hold. They can make a good fighter pilot some cash if they live. Since they're encased in a life support pod I think they last longer than they do. At least long enough to get them to a good market place. If you can turn down the degradation rate to about half of what it currently is that would be nice.

[pepe]

Just in case you agreed with my MP concept and equal-up all flyable ships, it should be like:

SHIPS: NO SHIP IS THE BEST. ALL ARE DEADLY THE SAME

just some ships are gonna be better for your style/skill/task

It simply means:

- taking down a battleship with a LF is not (very) possible
- taking down a LF with a VHF or bomber is not (very) possible

Word VERY means it is possible, but one pilot must be VERY experienced and the other must be VERY new to the game to make that happened. This way all fan-developed and vanilla ships will be in use. MODs are made for that, in my humble opinion.

So, what with OSP concept? We can keep it. As follows:

WHEN YOU START: MAKE MONEY FOR NEXT EQUIPMENT

instead of flying fully equipped LF class 3

When a player starts a game (in NY or Tortuga, depends if he's lawful or pirate), let him have:

1. choice of civil LF, HF or freighter and civil equipment on starting place
2. choice of military VHF, bomber or heavy navy freighter and (slight better) military equipment at nearby battleship or military base
3. choice of capital ships and capital equipment at nearby military shipyard, so he will know why he needs big big money for
4. choice of transports and miners and right equipment at corporate bases. Mining companies will not involve in trade business and vice versa.

For buying at military bases/planets/shipyards char must be in great favor of that faction's military. Same thing for corporations would be ok too. So missions and bribing will get more popular. I suggest that bribe can make max white color on reputation list only. It means they will grant you docking. For green status at least one mission must be done. For more green - more missions. If you can't make it alone, find a friend

CHOICE is always good. But, for buying thingies - money is needed. Big money. So give player starting funds sufficient to buy one lighter ship, light shields and one light gun ONLY (or 2 cheapest guns, but no shields - for brave ones). He will be happiest man/girl on the world at the moment when collects money for next gun. I played Elite almost 30 years ago and I still remember THAT FEELING!

So any new char will be well shielded and low on fire power. To keep OSP concept and generally starting new character challenging, I suggest NPC level concept:

- all NPC lvl = 20 or more
- all mission lvl = a lot. Like 40 or 45. Lower ones should bring just ace fighters, higher ones escorted capital NPCs. Realistic. Reward money should be nice, like million or two. Lower mission lvl means lower reward.
- than lower levels a little for border worlds, like Kepler, Hudson, Magellan... Borders are there and crossing should be hard, but possible with medium equipment. Traders will think twice before trading with another nation. But it will be rewarding!
- than lower levels a little more for house systems. Pirate nations have their house system too. We don't want our beginner to die every time he explores or do missions in nearby systems. That time he will probably have LF with light defense, maybe civil armor and average firepower. New pirate chars should find not to hard to travel to Malta, Crete and other pirate faction bases. They will probably buy their heavier ship or even bomber there.
- than lower levels even more for Tortuga and NY. Make beginner enjoy killing some NPCs (lvl 10 for example) with equipment he can buy on the very start. Let him do some basic trade if he chooses freighter for his first ship. Hardest high level missions should be possible to finish if he gets help. So he should start making friends early in game.

This would simplify PvP rules a lot:

a) as class 9 and 10 military equipment will cost much more than a ship it self, there will be exact level under which player is pretty harmless. Our duty is to help that one, instead of killing him. Admin will know what that level would be for fighters, gunboats, cruisers and battleships.

Example: attacking a battleship with lvl less that 60 will be considered as rules violation. That dude probably had brand new ship with just couple of turrets on and no capital armor at all. Let him grow up. Ofc, if he attacks first or interfere in any battle - he will be considered as equal. And killed.

b) transport ships are civilian targets, no matter if it's tagged as pirate or trader. Attacking them with capital ships will be considered as rules violation too. However, heavier range of fighters will be designed to do that job and provide FUN for both sides.


And... What about Junkers and Zoners?

Junkers should provide smuggling stuff, like lighter but faster freighters. They should welcome pirates that came to sell contrabands and goods they've just plundered (not officially, ofc).

Zoners should provide heavy transport ships, like train. They should provide medium prices for everything, so you don't really have to go very far to sell something, even contrabands. You just have to come to border worlds somehow, where freeports are, hehehe.

Freeports should provide range of nicest fan-designed LFs and BH ships and equipment designed for hunting. I believe it would be there exactly in reality, so I don't see any need for BH bases where they are in 1.1 update. But placing remote BH bases in pirate house systems I'd consider fair, same like putting pirate bases in lawful house systems. Heaviest BH ships should be available right there, not easy to get.


Thanks to anyone who is reading all this.

[lonewolf]

Targeting Icon: a Little Bigger, and a bit Brighter....Please?

[dagger]

PVP arena! Some mods include a special area with no NPCs so that players can engage each other without interference. I'd like to see one here. I don't PVP very often but when I do I like it simple. An arena with one or 2 bases would be grand.
The base could sell weapons but no nanobots or shield batteries. You don't need those in PVP any way. And of course you could get repairs.
Also could we edit the rules so that players could have safety net up rank 20. Or change the level requirement so that level 15 comes at about 100,000 in value.

[pepe]

May 25, 2013 22:58:16 GMT dagger said:

PVP arena! Some mods include a special area with no NPCs so that players can engage each other without interference. I'd like to see one here. I don't PVP very often but when I do I like it simple. An arena with one or 2 bases would be grand.
The base could sell weapons but no nanobots or shield batteries. You don't need those in PVP any way. And of course you could get repairs.
Also could we edit the rules so that players could have safety net up rank 20. Or change the level requirement so that level 15 comes at about 100,000 in value.

yes, ARENA would be good

what inside? Nothing, just one base. Maybe asteroid field at 20k around, so we can't go too far from base

in base: repair service, ammo for sale only. I agree with Dagger dude: no batteries or nanobots

you can maybe even offer ship prototypes there for free, if you need us to test them before releasing

getting there? Dock anywhere and type simple command: /arena. And in second you're there, at Arena's base. When you wanna get back, dock and type /back. And you are at your originate base, with only and all things you had before typing /arena

kills from Arena should NOT be published. If you need to see who's winning, come to Arena.

in case of server down or breaking the line, last saved position should be one before typing /arena

[lonewolf]

A day or two ago, I saw what I think was an NPC flying a RavenClaw ship. I only saw it for a second or two, so I may have misread it, but I don't think so. I played on one server that had that ship for Player use, It was a good step up from the Eagle.

I would like to see that ship in here for players to use. (If it is there, I have not found it yet.)